Another November the 5th gone and another “quiet” walk around London with the indomitable Old Holborn, Olly Cromwell, Katabasis and others whose presence has been erased by alcohol (remind me if you want) – which was an utter blast. As has become our want we met in the pleasing environs of Chandos to exchange niceties, don costumes and imbibe a bracing drink before braving the autumnal air. Our dapper and well presented crew headed off down Whitehall, pausing to admire the security in place at that bastion of democracy that is Downing street. Setting the theme for the day they didn’t seem pleased to see us, undeterred we continued unto the very doors of the palace of Westminster where some terribly nice people told us that as the politicans don’t work on a Saturday it’d cost us 15 quid a head to get in:
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Having linked to an account of how the police treated protesters in New York the < ahref="/2011/09/30/state-of-protest-in-the-us/">other day, I thought it only fair that I also link to this rather good and more in depth look at the protest itself over on Errata Security. I’d suggest you go an read the whole thing, but looking at it with my own particular slant there are a couple of bits which really stand out.
Firstly a problem I think many campaigns have especially online ones:
“As the protesters try to define themselves in order to come up with a coherent political platform, they are hindered by this filter bubble. The forces will drive them to come up with something that excites their small group, but which will prove unacceptable to the larger world. I think they have to learn to reach outside their bubble if they want to actually influence things and to become to the Democrat Party what the Tea Party is to the Republican Party.”
But more interesting to me is this bit:
“I found the occupiers had the same totalitarian attitude, though they don’t see it as totalitarian. Yes, their loving acceptance of those who disagree with them is astonishing, but it’s totalitarian. It asks that people give up their individuality to the state the occupiers are creating. Rather than free speech, the protest has a sort of “managed speech” to make sure everyone has equal time. There is also the flip side, that not to join the movement or to disagree with the protesters means that you are working against the interest of the people.
We have seen this before in history, such as during the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror. After they ran out of nobles, the Committee for Public Safety started beheading political rivals — even those of their own party who helped overthrow the royalty. Their implicit thinking was this: I support the people. Therefore, if you disagree with me, you are acting against the people and must be beheaded. Or to paraphrase in the modern idiom, “you are either with us or against the people”.
The protesters have been settling on the idea that the conflict is the 99% against the 1%. But since the country is evenly divided between Democrat and Republican, they represent, at best, the interests of 50% against the 1%. No matter how poor, Republicans don’t see socialism as being in their own interests. Instead of chanting “We are the 99%” they should be chanting “We are the 50%”, but they seem immune to seeing things from this perspective”
As this seems to be a very common thread on many recent “popular” demonstrations, totalitarianism seems to be far too in vogue all over the place. If we are facing as many grave issues as we reportedly are on both local and global scales then this sort of all or nothing stance isn’t going to help as it leaves no room for actually thinking our way out of the mess. just more of the same old baying mobs pushing the pendulum this way then that. And when it comes to that 99% statistic a survey by Fox gives them maybe 70% with a few percent not really being clear on what the demo is actually asking for. A camp I must confess to finding myself in but I’ve ranted about the need for clear messages on demonstrations before, I’ve been told that they’re campaigning for jobs and to have smaller loans from getting an education (though the report linked to at the start does observe that most of the protesters seem to be not sci/eng types).
but anyway back to this whole concept of 99% they have a tumblr page where people can post how they as part of the 99% are suffering. Which is interesting as reportedly only 77% of the US are on line. Beyond that this 99% includes such reports as:
“I will owe over 50,000 in student loan debt and I am having doubts my two A.S. degrees and my B.S. in Ecology will get me anywhere”
Now I would have thought that maybe after the first degree stopping to consider that debt might have been a plan maybe? Or at least maybe considering the employment enhancing prospects of the degrees. From reading many of those accounts the unifying threads of the 99% seems to be that they’re pissed off and want to blame someone else, which to be fair probably does cover 99% of the population.
And of course thanks to the joys of the Internet and “anonymous” this nebulous protest is heading here – But then I do have a problem with Anonymous’ claim that “we do not forgive we do not forget” as it’s rather reminiscent of certain slogans in Northern Ireland and is the sort of attitude which would seem to lead to new totalitarianism. Sure don’t forget but forgiveness surely is a measure of humanity. But then the edicts issues from anonymous do tend to have a dictatorial tone to them, no “lets all do this together” more “We have organised this, you will be our foot soldiers and take this chance”. The external point of view in that last missive from them rather rankled mind you.
Thinking about my last post during my morning ablutions, a simple question occurred to me (and before lunch simple questions really are all I can manage). I know it’s been asked before but I think it’s worth asking again:
If tobacco and alcohol are so dangerous why aren’t the anti smoking/drinking campaigns asking for them to be banned?
Seriously think about it, none of the pressure groups that claim that smoke and drink are destroying lives, wrecking society and killing thousands of people a year at extreme cost to the NHS are actually asking for them to be banned. If they’re really that dangerous why not? After all we banned the use of asbestos, we’ve reclassified numerous other drugs as illegal why no campaign for an out right ban? Just more and more taxes and greater restrictions.
ASH themselves say:
“ We do not attack smokers or condemn smoking.”
But why not if they want to eliminate the “harm caused by smoking”, how can they not condemn smoking, if it’s as dangerous as they say. Surely that’s a bit like saying:
“We want to eliminate the harm caused by people shooting themselves in the foot, but we’re quite happy for people to shoot themselves in the foot”
I suspect there are three obvious answers:
1) They’re lying but going for an out right ban they know wouldn’t work (pretty much proved by prohibition).
2) They’re self serving control freaks, that know if they ever get us all to stop with our filthy habits they’d have to get real jobs and they’re much rather just meddle in other peoples lives.
3) Both of the above.
If anyone’s got an alternative answer to why none of these health campaigns don’t out right ask for things to be criminalised (as the anti-drugs groups do), I’d love to hear it.
Due to having recently acquired a social life, previously lost behind the sofa, I’m rather light on blogging and even further behind the news. Sadly I will catch up and probably go back to a load of things that no one’s interested in any more – however in the mean time it seems the police would like us all to snitch on any anarchist sympathisers we might know though they apparently have already backed down
Captain Ranty as ever has is covered as does The nameless libertarian so there’s really nothing left to say it’s all done and dusted in less than a day – till the next time round.
However if you think I’m going to pass by an opportunity to link to the Sex pistols Anarchy in the UK? You’ve got to be out of your ever loving gourd.
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I feel like I’ve passed some bloggers rite of passage as after leaving what i thought was a light hearted comment over at Captain Ranty’s I was roundly taken to task, and both myself and my humble witterings dismissed as as a young stripling of a Marxist globalist “trying to defend from a moral standpoint themselves living an immoral existence”. This as you can probably tell from my new “More vanity” section rather amused me
Now being an incorrigible sort, but also rather careful of my manners, I just had to reply to determine what insult I’d caused – and to correct what I felt where a few misunderstandings. I’d kind of decided to avoid doing the typical blog post of “ooh look someone said something nasty about me” and leave it there (after all others do it so much better than me), but then well there was the reply. I still don’t know what insult I caused as very little of my comment was addressed instead I seem to have hit a nerve in defending women’s right to dress as they like and the concept of the Slut Walk. So as Harbinger doesn’t want to continue the debate further and pointed out we’d rather wandered from our hosts topic of conversation I can but reply to him here. In a rather less light hearted tone than I’d initially planned.
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Like many people I wasn’t in the John Snow when that infamous kiss took place, I don’t know the landlord or the people who were kissing. So I’ve got no reason to believe either of them over the other. The few things that we do know for certain is that the LandLord acted after a complaint, they claim it was quick peck on the cheek the person who complained says it was more (and some supprto this). Quite frankly I don’t care, we’ve no evidence that the landlord would have acted any different if someone had complained about a straight couple kissing, or in regards to any other complaint from another customer. Yet as I’ve heard it described asking someone to leave a pub because someone else has complained has “upset the internet”. Despite it being “insane” to throw out a gay couple in SoHo because you’ll surely go out of business action must still be taken by the mob to make sure this pub, or at least the landlord, suffers this fate. Simply not using that pub and going to another isn’t enough.
All that aside though what puzzles me is this idea that all of SoHo is this gay paradise where every venue must be a suitable place for snogging/kissing who ever you like. Look at the map the line in red outlines the traditional boundaries of SoHo, the rod in pink is Old Compton street which is the heart of queer SohO. Between Old Compton street and where the pub is (that little symbol thing) lies various sex shops, strip joints (I believe mainly heterosexual), a fruit market, numerous fabric shops, offices and houses. Really by the time you get to Broadwick street you could be almost any where in London. If you have to be mad to run a business where people kissing may not always be welcome someone better tell Nickleodeon and Hamily’s. As Wikipedia says these days it “is predominantly a fashionable district of upmarket restaurants and media offices”*. So it would seem the internet is an angry ill-educated lynch mob, which only wants the law applied selectively, which really isn’t new and shouldn’t surprise me. But someone should probably warn all the businesses, houses, religious buildings and such in SoHO that the “internet” is apparently watching and if someone gets upset on twitter then the full might of the internets will be turned upon them in a giant hissy fit. On the other hand if any film directors out there want a load of people kissing in a venue for cheap you know what to do.
Ho hum.
Mind generally when I’ve been asked to leave a pub in the past, I’ve found it simplest to do so – but then I’ve also left pubs just becasue I didn’t like the atmosphere much.
* Normally I don’t treat Wikipedia as a reliable resource but it’ll do for now.

Something that I’ve been struggling with for a while is how to respond to the apparent constant salami slicing of our freedoms without sounding like chicken little, and I’m increasingly convinced that it cant be done.
The problem is the creeping nature of the beast as so well expounded by Leg Iron
“The Creeper is a slow and insidious technique. On trains, it started with one no-smoking carriage. On buses, it started with smokers at the back and upstairs on the double deckers. It was not a new technique even then because, as the Filthy Smoker’s post reminded me, it had already been used – and is still going – on seat belts.”
The problem is as Leg Iron expounds that each individual step seems quite reasonable and well nothing much to object to then the scope increases or there’s a bit more compulsion and on it creeps. If at any point an idea is objected to too strongly it’s just shelved for a bit until the noise dies down then brought back, each time fewer people object as it got dropped the last time and the objectors looked like loons. Or the idea is floated by some thing tank or pressure group not anyone in power so why object to some random idea being floated by some random group, except it gets people used to that idea, then it becomes normal and the people that object are seen as reactionary and a bit bonkers.
So we now have people calling to ban smoking in cars for the children (not houses yet…), people being arrested for selling legal products, a call to ban alcohol advertising before 9pm (remember when tobacco was advertised on tv?), not to mention calls for controls on knives, salt, fat and having fun generally – or if you must have fun perhaps you could just not breed? None of this is of course aimed at ordinary people.
This could all be just unrelated puritanism and empire building or it could be about controlling the population, it is after all much easier to control people that have done something wrong or can be accused of it. But at that point it I start reaching for my tinfoil hat, as I really don’t think the government or any organisation is that organised. Of course if they were they’d want us to think they weren’t.
I have though I think reached a plausible answer, it isn’t planned it just the organic natural direction in which the state tends to head unless constantly challenged. Assuming the best of intentions from everyone in the state unless curtailed it’s always going to head towards authoritarianism as it’s made up of people that want to improve things, that think they know best, and we just need convincing. Each step could be taken in good faith but just like with us that just makes the next step seem reasonable, if we just get people to stop doing X then Y lives will be saved that must be a good thing! We select our leaders to be risk adverse and so we end up with a nannied controlled curtailed country.
The problem is of course that a risk adverse culture much like a risk adverse person won’t achieve much and will collapse.
So all that said I think all that one can do is accept that sometimes you maybe should be wearing a tinfoil hat and certainly people are going to thing you should be, but keep responding to every kite flown no matter how many times it gets hauled back in for later. With luck eventually enough people will realise they’ve been denormalised and kick the state back down for a while. Unless of course we’ve finally managed to select so well for the risk adverse that the majority really do want every aspect of their lives controlled*.
* I’m sure I read similar fears very recently but I can’t remember where so sorry no link.
Leg Iron has for a long time been talking about how the methods use to attack smokers are applied to drinkers, over weight people and everyone else really, especially high lighting the potential affects of all this reduce salt, reduce fat ban this that and the other plans on the mental well being of anyone actually forced to comply with them. Today the Devils Knife brings news that Japan has moved beyond just encouraging people to be more healthy but are now fining companies if their employee’s don’t match a government defined waist line (seemingly irrespective of any other considerations).
Meanwhile the World Cancer Research Fund has declared that all processed meat is unfit for human consumption. Apparently we should all stop eating bacon, sausages, slamai everything as it’s so carcinogenic that people must be falling down dead in the streets like the plot of some low budget horror movie. The compulsory scare number is a 67% increase in the risk of pancreatic cancer – compared to people that ate little or no meat at all. So whilst apparently the average risk is that 1 in 76 people will get pancreatic cancer I am inclined to add this to the long list of things they want to control and note that the message associated with it is “don’t eat any processed meat”. This will of course increase the cost of eating meat for most people, and so ties into the seemingly global push towards vegetarianism that seems to beloved of the green movement. When they’re not advocating blowing people up for not doing enough to bring about global cooling.
They really can’t stop them selves it seems, proving that they can be just as keen on controlling every aspect of our lives as the last lot. To counter the cultural pressures of thin models our new equalities minister has it seems decreed that the new approved size and shape to aspire to is size 14 and buxom. She will apparently be holding a body confidence summit to try to persuade fashion editors to impose a new body fascism on the fairer sex in this country. No longer will they need to aspire to being thin, instead they’ll just have to worry if they’re buxom enough and are they more hourglass than egg timer.
The idea of not dictating role models presumably wasn’t an option. But as now thin is undesirable and obviously being over weight remains a horrendous crime it can’t be much longer before we have a single government approved body type. Obviously banning veils/niqabs and other facial covering will make it easier to identify people who fail to achieve the new government approved look.
I look forward to seeing if Laurie Penny will be complaining about this for dictating body shapes to women, or if it’ll be ok as it presumably isn’t the evil Bikini body














