Sneaky, sneaky very sneaky!

Once again a significant “consultation” that no body new about. It would seem that to they’d like to give the police yet more power:
This three-part consultation seeks your views on the areas of police powers which the government is committed to reviewing:
– the relevance of the word ‘insulting‘ in section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986
– new powers to request removal of face coverings
– new powers to impose curfews

And as they’ve had a consultation, which ends tomorrow they’ll claim public support. ArchbishopCranmber and Old Holborn have more details, but if you’d like to once more be able to call me a smegging idiot without risking arrest. The powers that be, seem to currently take the stand that as long as you only get arrested, charged and suffer loss of time, money and distress with the whole process as long as you don’t actually go to court and get found guilty it’s all ok. Their test is are people actually getting found guilty unreasonably, not are people suffering from the impact of the law and likewise they have no concern over it’s chilling effects. See Olly Cromwell’s blog for a prime example of abuse of this sort of power.

I would point out that the police can already ask you to remove face coverings if they genuinely believe you intend to commit an offence, so that those rioting last summer wore face coverings is already covered by existing powers – and lets face it it’s not as if you’re going to comply with a request to uncover your face if you already rioting. The new power would let them remove face coverings at any time if they felt there was “reasonable suspicion of criminal activity” – of course remember that this is the same police force that despite being told numerous times still think it’s illegal to take photographs.

Finally curfews, the police can already force people to disperse, as people who remember the rave scene at all are well aware, and they can since 2003 request a dispersal zone be designated where people won’t be allowed to gather – this apparently takes too long and has too much paper work so they’d like a new law. Of course they’re once more citing the summer looting, ignoring the option of the riot act and that there was clear criminal behaviour taking place so would the looters really have gone home because they were in a dispersal zone? What they’d like instead is:
The aim of a general police curfew power would be to give the police an operational tool to keep members of the public off the streets in a given location, for a given period, in order to prevent or address serious disorder.
Now that looks like it’s just begging for feature creep to me, and is if it could be used in very lazy and Stalinist ways. Though I do tend to take the view that if a law can be abused it probably will be. They say that being outside during a curfew wouldn’t be a criminal offence, so just how would they enforce it? A fine, or a going out door tax as it might be known?

So go have your say whilst you can!

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5 Responses to Sneaky, sneaky very sneaky!

  1. Pandora Piquet says:

    Oh my Gods! Yes that’s very sneaky. It’s also rather scary the potential loss of personal freedoms. I keep hearing the old adage of “If you’ve nothing to hide then you’ve nothing to fear” but it just seems to me that under the guise of “protecting us from terrorism” we the public are loosing more & more of our rights. In fact worryingly we’re handing them over. One day a purely innocent person will be in the wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of their own & maybe not have ID with them (correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s NOT a legal requirement…YET) & get arrested! Their only crime being that they missed a train home & had to walk, hence failing to make curfew! Bah!

    • David says:

      If TPTB have nothing to hise they have nothng to fear:

      They need to be sh*tting themselves. The worm has turned.

      • Giolla says:

        Of course if they had nothing to hide, they wouldn’t get so upset about FoI requests and having to publish their expenses etc.

        That looks an interesting site, shall watch for when you launch

        • David says:

          Can’t take credit for it – I’m just doing my bit to promote it.


    • Giolla says:

      The “nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to fear” canard needs to be taken round the back of the chemical sheds and shot. The really insulting thing is of course that the terrorists we have today are rank amateurs compared to those we’ve fought in the past but both we are all being taught to take frit at our own shadows (including out leaders), So piece by piece we sacrifice hard won freedom.

      Nope no requirement to carry ID cards yet, that one has been shot down for the time being. But yeah does seem like it’s setting up the conditions for that scene in V-for-Vendetta where the young lass gets shot.

      Of course bet breaking curfew ends up being a fine, so kerching. I would observe as well that to enforce the curfew they’ll need an increased police presence which would probably have resolved the issue in the first place. Then again just use CCTV to track curfew breakers and then issue fixed penalty notices to the easy targets.